Flat Earth Conspiracy Video

Flat Earth Conspiracy Video

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The Flat Earth Society Is Controlled Opposition!

The Flat Earth Society Is Controlled Opposition!

For those who have done research on the Flat Earth Society and found their website, you may have walked away thinking, “These people are not serious!” or other such thoughts. Well, you are right, as they are the controlled opposition.

The Flat Earth Society is a controlled opposition group that mixes truth with lies and satire to discredit genuine flat Earth research, a job they have been doing for a long time now. Founded in 1970 by Leo Ferrari, a suspected Freemason and philosophy professor at St. Thomas' University, Leo spent his life making a mockery of the legitimate subject of our flat Earth. Though he passed away in 2010, his Flat Earth Society still exists today online as a website/forum which, still true to form, purports several false flat-Earth arguments and treats the entire subject as a dead-pan joke.

In 1956 a genuine truth-seeker and flat-Earth researcher, Samuel Shenton, had started the IFERS (International Flat Earth Research Society) and was making quite an impact with his publications and interviews, revealing the truth of our flat Earth to the masses. The globalists attempted to ignore the threat posed by Shenton for over a decade before finally creating their competing, farcical controlled opposition FES (Flat Earth Society) which has spent the past 45 years steering all flat-Earth inquiry into the realms of satire and sarcasm.

To give an idea of how the controlled opposition works, consider the example of Leo Ferrari's pumpkin-sized rock he would always take during interviews and lectures claiming he brought the stone back from the edge of our flat Earth! He would say, with a huge smirk on his face, how his boat had fallen over the edge but he was luckily saved by hanging onto this rock. Clearly, treating our flat Earth in this tongue-in-cheek way discouraged people from taking the matter seriously.

Ferrari's entire schtick involved approaching the flat Earth subject from every angle EXCEPT the rational and scientific. For example, he published a series of articles including "The Global Fallacy as a Cause of Racial Prejudice," arguing that people in countries at the top of the globe felt superior to those at the bottom, when in fact there was no top or bottom to the world, so, "even if one assumed that the world was spherical, the 'top' and 'bottom' have been arbitrarily selected, resulting in racial discrimination against those in the south. How can the globularists, their hirelings and dupes, seriously claim to believe that all men are created equal when they teach that some men are eternally fated to hang like bats from the bottom of a globe on which other men stand upright? The only solution is a flat Earth!" So instead of presenting measurements or experiments, instead of presenting any proofs or evidence, Ferrari would often simply argue the flat Earth as a serendipitous satirical solution to social problems.

In a famous 1971 CBC interview Ferrari was asked, "how do you explain the fact that the Earth appears round in the pictures taken from space by the astronauts?" Instead of answering and addressing the clear photo-trickery involved, Ferrari replied, "Simple. No doubt you're familiar with Einstein's theory of the curvature of space. If space is curved - and modern physics is based on that assumption - the Earth, from space, would appear circular. It's a simple optical illusion." This convoluted, pandering answer really is no answer at all and serves only to make the listener cock their head and raise an eyebrow.

Around this time, Charles K. Johnson, another genuine flat-Earther, took over the IFERS from the recently deceased Shenton. He and his wife Marjory, along with being flat-Earthers, were also vegetarians and anti-vivisectionist activists who campaigned for better treatment of our animal friends. In 1974, when Johnson heard of Ferrari's budding organization, he decided to contact him and wrote a cordial letter requesting further information about his society, to which Ferrari never replied. Two years later Johnson wrote another polite letter saying, how he was "delighted by the prospect of a like-minded campaigner," and said how it was "a very happy day" when he learned of Ferrari's society. "I feel sure at the core we can't be too far apart in aims," Johnson wrote, "I do try to practice what I preach, to think and seek and search out reasonable ideas and concepts." He closed saying that "he could hardly wait" to hear from Ferrari and hoped very much he would please reply. After six months without a response, Johnson wrote one more time, explaining again his sole purpose to "enlarge his view" and "getting and holding onto the facts," which would benefit himself, and in time, the rest of the world. He requested a reply and a copy of Ferrari's FES magazine. In conclusion Johnson signed "thanks from the bottom of my heart," in advance, but warned that if Ferrari insisted on ignoring him once again, "I will then know for sure you are some kind of enemy of the Flat Earth work." Eventually Ferrari did reply this time, but not with a message or magazine as requested, he simply enclosed a FES paid-application form.

Johnson investigated Ferrari's organization further and found that he was using "the flat earth idea as a gimmick to entertain and promote the atheistic society." From then on, Johnson worked hard to expand his IFERS and constantly for the rest of his life exposed Ferrari's FES, calling him a "false prophet guilty of muddying the waters of truth." Near the end of his life, tragically Johnson's house burned down along with all the flat Earth materials he and Shenton had collected over their lifetimes. Until his dying day, Johnson claimed the fire to be the result of arson by a NASA agent he had seen snooping around.

Nowadays the IFERS has disappeared and only Ferrari's FES exists as a website and message board maintained by moderators who, following in the footsteps of Ferrari, make a mockery of the whole thing and turn every thread into a joke deterring any serious flat Earth researcher from pursuing further. The only redeeming aspect of their website is the library of other people's flat Earth material they maintain, which is actually quite good. The current President, Daniel Shenton, (coincidentally NO relation to the genuine flat-Earther and IFERS founder Samuel Shenton) can be heard in the following clip, still "muddying the waters of truth," with several false flat Earth arguments (in the previous Post):

Notice he says he is "not sure about the Sun, Moon and planets, but that they're probably spheres, but it's definitely not proven, I think." He flip-flops his answers and expertly fumbles his words as if intentionally trying to sound scatter-brained. Compare and contrast this shill with genuine flat Earth researchers like myself who will tell you unequivocally that the Sun, Moon, stars and "planets" are all merely luminaries, round discs of celestial light, NOT spherical terra firma capable of landing on as the Freemasons at NASA would have you believe. He then goes on saying "the effects of gravity, I feel, could be simulated by the disc Earth moving upwards, accelerating upwards at 9.8 meters per second, would have the same effects of what people traditionally think of as gravity." This ridiculous false flat-Earth argument also appears on Wikipedia and the FES homepage. It is provably wrong as the "upwards accelerating disc" would smash into all helicopters, planes and hot-air balloons making sustained flight of any kind impossible, but they purposely promote these straw-man arguments so flat Earth neophytes will rightly laugh off their dumb explanations, and then following suit, write off the entire subject.

To combat Ferrari's Flat Earth Society controlled opposition forum, and in memory of Samuel Shenton, Charles Johnson, and other true flat Earth researchers of the past I have now started this website – that you are now on.

If you would like to make a donation to help getting out the flat earth truth, it would be much appreciated.

People are turning to Christ From Studying the Flat Earth

By Bob Skiba

I highly recommend you look at Bob Skiba's flat earth videos on YouTube to learn more how the flat earth relates to the Bible.

 

People are all up in arms about this Flat Earth subject causing division and strife. OK. Please show me a few examples from Scripture where truth didn't cause some sort of uproar. LOL! Nearly every prophet in the Bible was MURDERED because they told the truth. Look at what happened to Yeshua and His disciples for simply telling the truth. Truth almost always causes trouble. Because most don't ever want to hear it. Now, I'm not saying that Flat Earth IS the truth. But as we are only on a quest to find out if it IS or not - testing ALL things just as the Scriptures say we should - the same nonsense is manifesting as what happens when you tell them that X-mess and Ishtar Day have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our Savior. They don't want to hear that they've been participating in lies most of their lives. This subject is generating similar responses. Only with this deal, it's ramped up several notches on the psychosis meter. So much so that the very mention of simply wanting to explore the POSSIBILITIES absolutely sends people through the roof with amazing expressions of substantial cognitive dissonance combined with healthy doses of accusation, ridicule, mocking and slander!

Now people are coming to my wall, sending me e-mails and posting comments on my YouTube channels saying stuff like, "How is this Flat Earth stuff leading anyone closer to the Lord? This is not important. The whole world is going to hell and you're talking about this??" while making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about how I should be out caring for the sick and reaching the lost and freaking out about ISIS and Jade Helm and all of the impending doom allegedly coming in September (like they are)... instead of having these Flat Earth discussions. The accusations are of course coming from people who are here throwing stones rather than actually doing what they are accusing me of not doing. Imagine the irony.

Beyond that, those of you lobbing accusations, you are exceptionally presumptuous. First of all, we care for the sick almost daily over here. Second, this latest subject is not the only thing our ministry talks about. We have many different subjects going out all over the world in print, DVD, on radio interviews, at conferences, etc.. We're quite busy with various forms of ministry. In fact, this past weekend, I spent nearly 25 hours working to help 4 individuals through some very serious life issues. What have you done lately besides swing that telephone pole that's sticking out of your face as you're looking to point out splinters in the eyes of others?

As far as this Flat Earth subject goes, I had one girl write to me a couple of weeks ago, telling me here on my Facebook wall that she got saved as a result of this discussion. Today, I received two more testimonies:

Michael Ohman wrote:

"Talking of people getting saved, the flat earth discussion led my friend to salvation. He was the type of person that would sooner believe we were spawned by aliens and some genetic experiment to then evolve into what we are. But he said that as he was looking into flat earth, it kept pointing him back to the Scriptures and a Creator. So he decided to finally give in (after much resisting) and do a little research on the Bible and such things. He has now accepted Yahshuah as his Savior and is studying the word to 'deprogram' what he's picked up over the years.

And believe me, I'd tried before to show Yahshuah and Yahweh to him to no avail. Who would've thought that flat earth would be what it took to show him the truth? His conversion is nothing short of a miracle, only the Holy Spirit can 'change' a man's heart so drastically. When I found out he accepted Yeshuah, I was literally jumping up and down because I saw the miracle.

Keep your chin up Rob, even if the enemy is swinging. Remember that the enemy will always destroy the good and what is making a difference for Yahweh's Kingdom. If it's any help, it was due to yours and Douglas Hamp's work that I was brought back into fellowship with our savior Yeshuah last year. And it was the flat-earth topic that led one of my die-hard atheist friends to Yeshuah. You and your family will be in my prayers. May Yahweh bless you Rob."

Anthony Cruz wrote:

"I have a praise report. There is a friend I have been witnessing and praying for years for him. He grew up with sra, Out of all the subjects on realities we talk about, this flat earth subject has got him in the Word, and I see him coming closer to Jesus. Please keep him in prayer. Whatever God chooses to use to bring people closer, who am I to argue."

A couple of days ago, Sheila and I had dinner over some friends house. While there, of course this discussion came up and the dialogue went on for nearly 4 hours. When it was over, my friend says to me, "This whole idea of an enclosed, Flat Earth makes me feel more special to God than I think anything I've ever heard." I have had several very similar testimonies come in from others here on Facebook in the past 2 weeks as a result of this topic.

Ashlee Ellegard Webster said,

"I personally know three non-believers that have given their life to YHWH over this very topic....huge huge blessing!"

Furthermore, I have received many responses such as this one from Will Reynolds:

"Rob Skiba, what you have been doing here really has me excited. I find myself digging into scripture with an excitement I haven't had in years. I too never thought I would be questioning the shape of our plane(t). Keep up the great work, it is opening my eyes and brings to mind: "Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding" (Proverbs 3:13)"

And this one from Grace Pond:

"God has been ministering to me thru this FE thing on many deep levels as I go thru hell on earth in my life. It has been a healing part of my daily anguish. Don't judge what God can use to love on someone!"

Find more testimonals here.

 

People are all up in arms about this Flat Earth subject causing division and strife. OK. Please show me a few examples from Scripture where truth didn't cause some sort of uproar. LOL! Nearly every prophet in the Bible was MURDERED because they told the truth. Look at what happened to Yeshua and His disciples for simply telling the truth. Truth almost always causes trouble. Because most don't ever want to hear it. Now, I'm not saying that Flat Earth IS the truth. But as we are only on a quest to find out if it IS or not - testing ALL things just as the Scriptures say we should - the same nonsense is manifesting as what happens when you tell them that X-mess and Ishtar Day have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our Savior. They don't want to hear that they've been participating in lies most of their lives. This subject is generating similar responses. Only with this deal, it's ramped up several notches on the psychosis meter. So much so that the very mention of simply wanting to explore the POSSIBILITIES absolutely sends people through the roof with amazing expressions of substantial cognitive dissonance combined with healthy doses of accusation, ridicule, mocking and slander!

Now people are coming to my wall, sending me e-mails and posting comments on my YouTube channels saying stuff like, "How is this Flat Earth stuff leading anyone closer to the Lord? This is not important. The whole world is going to hell and you're talking about this??" while making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about how I should be out caring for the sick and reaching the lost and freaking out about ISIS and Jade Helm and all of the impending doom allegedly coming in September (like they are)... instead of having these Flat Earth discussions. The accusations are of course coming from people who are here throwing stones rather than actually doing what they are accusing me of not doing. Imagine the irony.

Beyond that, those of you lobbing accusations, you are exceptionally presumptuous. First of all, we care for the sick almost daily over here. Second, this latest subject is not the only thing our ministry talks about. We have many different subjects going out all over the world in print, DVD, on radio interviews, at conferences, etc.. We're quite busy with various forms of ministry. In fact, this past weekend, I spent nearly 25 hours working to help 4 individuals through some very serious life issues. What have you done lately besides swing that telephone pole that's sticking out of your face as you're looking to point out splinters in the eyes of others?

As far as this Flat Earth subject goes, I had one girl write to me a couple of weeks ago, telling me here on my Facebook wall that she got saved as a result of this discussion. Today, I received two more testimonies:

Michael Ohman wrote:

"Talking of people getting saved, the flat earth discussion led my friend to salvation. He was the type of person that would sooner believe we were spawned by aliens and some genetic experiment to then evolve into what we are. But he said that as he was looking into flat earth, it kept pointing him back to the Scriptures and a Creator. So he decided to finally give in (after much resisting) and do a little research on the Bible and such things. He has now accepted Yahshuah as his Savior and is studying the word to 'deprogram' what he's picked up over the years.

And believe me, I'd tried before to show Yahshuah and Yahweh to him to no avail. Who would've thought that flat earth would be what it took to show him the truth? His conversion is nothing short of a miracle, only the Holy Spirit can 'change' a man's heart so drastically. When I found out he accepted Yeshuah, I was literally jumping up and down because I saw the miracle.

Keep your chin up Rob, even if the enemy is swinging. Remember that the enemy will always destroy the good and what is making a difference for Yahweh's Kingdom. If it's any help, it was due to yours and Douglas Hamp's work that I was brought back into fellowship with our savior Yeshuah last year. And it was the flat-earth topic that led one of my die-hard atheist friends to Yeshuah. You and your family will be in my prayers. May Yahweh bless you Rob."

Anthony Cruz wrote:

"I have a praise report. There is a friend I have been witnessing and praying for years for him. He grew up with sra, Out of all the subjects on realities we talk about, this flat earth subject has got him in the Word, and I see him coming closer to Jesus. Please keep him in prayer. Whatever God chooses to use to bring people closer, who am I to argue."

A couple of days ago, Sheila and I had dinner over some friends house. While there, of course this discussion came up and the dialogue went on for nearly 4 hours. When it was over, my friend says to me, "This whole idea of an enclosed, Flat Earth makes me feel more special to God than I think anything I've ever heard." I have had several very similar testimonies come in from others here on Facebook in the past 2 weeks as a result of this topic.

Ashlee Ellegard Webster said,

"I personally know three non-believers that have given their life to YHWH over this very topic....huge huge blessing!"

Furthermore, I have received many responses such as this one from Will Reynolds:

"Rob Skiba, what you have been doing here really has me excited. I find myself digging into scripture with an excitement I haven't had in years. I too never thought I would be questioning the shape of our plane(t). Keep up the great work, it is opening my eyes and brings to mind: "Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding" (Proverbs 3:13)"

And this one from Grace Pond:

"God has been ministering to me thru this FE thing on many deep levels as I go thru hell on earth in my life. It has been a healing part of my daily anguish. Don't judge what God can use to love on someone!"

- See more at: http://testingtheglobe.com/testimonies.html#sthash.hVfU244r.dpuf

People are all up in arms about this Flat Earth subject causing division and strife. OK. Please show me a few examples from Scripture where truth didn't cause some sort of uproar. LOL! Nearly every prophet in the Bible was MURDERED because they told the truth. Look at what happened to Yeshua and His disciples for simply telling the truth. Truth almost always causes trouble. Because most don't ever want to hear it. Now, I'm not saying that Flat Earth IS the truth. But as we are only on a quest to find out if it IS or not - testing ALL things just as the Scriptures say we should - the same nonsense is manifesting as what happens when you tell them that X-mess and Ishtar Day have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our Savior. They don't want to hear that they've been participating in lies most of their lives. This subject is generating similar responses. Only with this deal, it's ramped up several notches on the psychosis meter. So much so that the very mention of simply wanting to explore the POSSIBILITIES absolutely sends people through the roof with amazing expressions of substantial cognitive dissonance combined with healthy doses of accusation, ridicule, mocking and slander!

Now people are coming to my wall, sending me e-mails and posting comments on my YouTube channels saying stuff like, "How is this Flat Earth stuff leading anyone closer to the Lord? This is not important. The whole world is going to hell and you're talking about this??" while making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about how I should be out caring for the sick and reaching the lost and freaking out about ISIS and Jade Helm and all of the impending doom allegedly coming in September (like they are)... instead of having these Flat Earth discussions. The accusations are of course coming from people who are here throwing stones rather than actually doing what they are accusing me of not doing. Imagine the irony.

Beyond that, those of you lobbing accusations, you are exceptionally presumptuous. First of all, we care for the sick almost daily over here. Second, this latest subject is not the only thing our ministry talks about. We have many different subjects going out all over the world in print, DVD, on radio interviews, at conferences, etc.. We're quite busy with various forms of ministry. In fact, this past weekend, I spent nearly 25 hours working to help 4 individuals through some very serious life issues. What have you done lately besides swing that telephone pole that's sticking out of your face as you're looking to point out splinters in the eyes of others?

As far as this Flat Earth subject goes, I had one girl write to me a couple of weeks ago, telling me here on my Facebook wall that she got saved as a result of this discussion. Today, I received two more testimonies:

Michael Ohman wrote:

"Talking of people getting saved, the flat earth discussion led my friend to salvation. He was the type of person that would sooner believe we were spawned by aliens and some genetic experiment to then evolve into what we are. But he said that as he was looking into flat earth, it kept pointing him back to the Scriptures and a Creator. So he decided to finally give in (after much resisting) and do a little research on the Bible and such things. He has now accepted Yahshuah as his Savior and is studying the word to 'deprogram' what he's picked up over the years.

And believe me, I'd tried before to show Yahshuah and Yahweh to him to no avail. Who would've thought that flat earth would be what it took to show him the truth? His conversion is nothing short of a miracle, only the Holy Spirit can 'change' a man's heart so drastically. When I found out he accepted Yeshuah, I was literally jumping up and down because I saw the miracle.

Keep your chin up Rob, even if the enemy is swinging. Remember that the enemy will always destroy the good and what is making a difference for Yahweh's Kingdom. If it's any help, it was due to yours and Douglas Hamp's work that I was brought back into fellowship with our savior Yeshuah last year. And it was the flat-earth topic that led one of my die-hard atheist friends to Yeshuah. You and your family will be in my prayers. May Yahweh bless you Rob."

Anthony Cruz wrote:

"I have a praise report. There is a friend I have been witnessing and praying for years for him. He grew up with sra, Out of all the subjects on realities we talk about, this flat earth subject has got him in the Word, and I see him coming closer to Jesus. Please keep him in prayer. Whatever God chooses to use to bring people closer, who am I to argue."

A couple of days ago, Sheila and I had dinner over some friends house. While there, of course this discussion came up and the dialogue went on for nearly 4 hours. When it was over, my friend says to me, "This whole idea of an enclosed, Flat Earth makes me feel more special to God than I think anything I've ever heard." I have had several very similar testimonies come in from others here on Facebook in the past 2 weeks as a result of this topic.

Ashlee Ellegard Webster said,

"I personally know three non-believers that have given their life to YHWH over this very topic....huge huge blessing!"

Furthermore, I have received many responses such as this one from Will Reynolds:

"Rob Skiba, what you have been doing here really has me excited. I find myself digging into scripture with an excitement I haven't had in years. I too never thought I would be questioning the shape of our plane(t). Keep up the great work, it is opening my eyes and brings to mind: "Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding" (Proverbs 3:13)"

And this one from Grace Pond:

"God has been ministering to me thru this FE thing on many deep levels as I go thru hell on earth in my life. It has been a healing part of my daily anguish. Don't judge what God can use to love on someone!"

- See more at: http://testingtheglobe.com/testimonies.html#sthash.hVfU244r.dpuf

People are all up in arms about this Flat Earth subject causing division and strife. OK. Please show me a few examples from Scripture where truth didn't cause some sort of uproar. LOL! Nearly every prophet in the Bible was MURDERED because they told the truth. Look at what happened to Yeshua and His disciples for simply telling the truth. Truth almost always causes trouble. Because most don't ever want to hear it. Now, I'm not saying that Flat Earth IS the truth. But as we are only on a quest to find out if it IS or not - testing ALL things just as the Scriptures say we should - the same nonsense is manifesting as what happens when you tell them that X-mess and Ishtar Day have NOTHING whatsoever to do with our Savior. They don't want to hear that they've been participating in lies most of their lives. This subject is generating similar responses. Only with this deal, it's ramped up several notches on the psychosis meter. So much so that the very mention of simply wanting to explore the POSSIBILITIES absolutely sends people through the roof with amazing expressions of substantial cognitive dissonance combined with healthy doses of accusation, ridicule, mocking and slander!

Now people are coming to my wall, sending me e-mails and posting comments on my YouTube channels saying stuff like, "How is this Flat Earth stuff leading anyone closer to the Lord? This is not important. The whole world is going to hell and you're talking about this??" while making all sorts of ridiculous accusations about how I should be out caring for the sick and reaching the lost and freaking out about ISIS and Jade Helm and all of the impending doom allegedly coming in September (like they are)... instead of having these Flat Earth discussions. The accusations are of course coming from people who are here throwing stones rather than actually doing what they are accusing me of not doing. Imagine the irony.

Beyond that, those of you lobbing accusations, you are exceptionally presumptuous. First of all, we care for the sick almost daily over here. Second, this latest subject is not the only thing our ministry talks about. We have many different subjects going out all over the world in print, DVD, on radio interviews, at conferences, etc.. We're quite busy with various forms of ministry. In fact, this past weekend, I spent nearly 25 hours working to help 4 individuals through some very serious life issues. What have you done lately besides swing that telephone pole that's sticking out of your face as you're looking to point out splinters in the eyes of others?

As far as this Flat Earth subject goes, I had one girl write to me a couple of weeks ago, telling me here on my Facebook wall that she got saved as a result of this discussion. Today, I received two more testimonies:

Michael Ohman wrote:

"Talking of people getting saved, the flat earth discussion led my friend to salvation. He was the type of person that would sooner believe we were spawned by aliens and some genetic experiment to then evolve into what we are. But he said that as he was looking into flat earth, it kept pointing him back to the Scriptures and a Creator. So he decided to finally give in (after much resisting) and do a little research on the Bible and such things. He has now accepted Yahshuah as his Savior and is studying the word to 'deprogram' what he's picked up over the years.

And believe me, I'd tried before to show Yahshuah and Yahweh to him to no avail. Who would've thought that flat earth would be what it took to show him the truth? His conversion is nothing short of a miracle, only the Holy Spirit can 'change' a man's heart so drastically. When I found out he accepted Yeshuah, I was literally jumping up and down because I saw the miracle.

Keep your chin up Rob, even if the enemy is swinging. Remember that the enemy will always destroy the good and what is making a difference for Yahweh's Kingdom. If it's any help, it was due to yours and Douglas Hamp's work that I was brought back into fellowship with our savior Yeshuah last year. And it was the flat-earth topic that led one of my die-hard atheist friends to Yeshuah. You and your family will be in my prayers. May Yahweh bless you Rob."

Anthony Cruz wrote:

"I have a praise report. There is a friend I have been witnessing and praying for years for him. He grew up with sra, Out of all the subjects on realities we talk about, this flat earth subject has got him in the Word, and I see him coming closer to Jesus. Please keep him in prayer. Whatever God chooses to use to bring people closer, who am I to argue."

A couple of days ago, Sheila and I had dinner over some friends house. While there, of course this discussion came up and the dialogue went on for nearly 4 hours. When it was over, my friend says to me, "This whole idea of an enclosed, Flat Earth makes me feel more special to God than I think anything I've ever heard." I have had several very similar testimonies come in from others here on Facebook in the past 2 weeks as a result of this topic.

Ashlee Ellegard Webster said,

"I personally know three non-believers that have given their life to YHWH over this very topic....huge huge blessing!"

Furthermore, I have received many responses such as this one from Will Reynolds:

"Rob Skiba, what you have been doing here really has me excited. I find myself digging into scripture with an excitement I haven't had in years. I too never thought I would be questioning the shape of our plane(t). Keep up the great work, it is opening my eyes and brings to mind: "Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding" (Proverbs 3:13)"

And this one from Grace Pond:

"God has been ministering to me thru this FE thing on many deep levels as I go thru hell on earth in my life. It has been a healing part of my daily anguish. Don't judge what God can use to love on someone!"

- See more at: http://testingtheglobe.com/testimonies.html#sthash.hVfU244r.dpuf

How to make satellites appear real

This is my theory but it makes sense and that is, in order to continue the con that satellites are real, there are a number of things that would do it. Some of them are:

Have a rocket go up (most expensive show)

Computer generated images (CGI) on a website (that's all I see on the web)

Make a website that has “real tracking” of satellites

I'd like to talk more on the last one. This one is easy for a computer programmer to do – make some software where it gives locations and have these numbers change – to make it look real good. All of this is done in order to have billions of dollars in funding each and every year. What takes the place of satellites are, all those microwave towers you see everywhere – these towers are relaying the singles for GPS, internet, mobile phones, etc.

When people see a website with satellite “tracking”, they become a believer.

As for the CGI, they might make it a little better and take a real picture of something that was actually build (but doesn't work, you know, something that would be made for a Hollywood set), and superimpose the image on a CGI background. Then, some fool would say, “Ah, there is a real photo of a satellite.”

NASA Agenda: Promoting Evolution

http://www.fixedearth.com/nasas-agenda.html

NASA has a spiritual agenda. Yes, spiritual. It projects the image of cutting edge science opening exciting space frontiers for the good of mankind, but the facts say otherwise. Judge for yourself:

On the Space Administration's Web Page we read: "NASA's ORIGINS PROGRAM will search for clues to help us find our cosmic roots."

"Cosmic roots...?? Origins Program...???

There are two major beliefs about the origin of mankind and all other life forms. One says God created man and everything else not very long ago. The Bible states this view over 100 times and allows for no other explanation. God created everything fully formed as part of an eternal plan, the Bible teaches. Period. The other belief says everything came to be as it is accidentally and randomly as the result of natural forces acting upon themselves and "evolving" over billions of years. Clearly, the evolutionary belief is anti-Bible, but--more to the point about NASA's goals being spiritual--it is a belief that attributes miraculous powers of creation of all that exists to a "force" or a god known as "matter" (and "gases"). Matter did it all. All hail "matter"! No God who demands recognition and accountability is needed! With "matter" as creator we can do what we want ('cause nothing matters...).

As might be expected, a compromise belief has arisen out of these two opposites. It is called "theistic evolutionism". This view acknowledges that there has to be a God to explain the mind-blowing design that exists any which way we turn. But, says the Theistic Evolutionist, this God did not create everything fully formed but used an evolutionary process over billions of years to do the job. This evolution-dependent compromise allows a Creator God of sorts, but does not allow the Omniscient and Omnipotent Creator God Who authored the Bible. (Of note too is the fact that the Moslem Koran makes no compromise with evolution either....).

Therefore, NASA's stated goal of searching space for clues to man's origins reveals the premise behind their taxpayer supported Origins Program. That premise is that evolution is true and the Bible (along with the Koran) is false. This premise is not secular; it is spiritual. It claims to be scientific and therefore independent of religion. It is not scientific, as we shall see. It is religious, as we shall also see. The evolutionary premise violates all known science and logic. It does not have the first piece of verifiable evidence to support the squirrely evolution myth it calls "scientific". Evolutionism embodies a single spiritual agenda, viz., disqualify and replace the Bible as the source of Truth.

In support of its Origins Program, NASA says it will answer such questions as:

"Are there any planets outside our solar system that are capable of supporting life?"

"How did life originate on earth?"

"Is there life (however primitive or evolved) outside our solar system?"

Under the heading "ORIGINS SCIENCE" we see that NASA makes it plain that its goal of establishing extraterrestrial evolutionism is symbiotically connected to its dependency on another "scientific" hypothesis. Note this connection and the dependency upon the unproven Big Bang hypothesis that NASA is using to achieve its goal of establishing evolutionism as a "fact". From part of its Web Page we read: from th

"NASA's ORIGINS PROGRAM follows the 15-billion year long chain of events from birth of the Universe at the Big Bang, through the formation of the chemical elements, galaxies, stars, and planets, through the mixing of chemicals and energy that cradles life on Earth, to the earliest self-replicating organisms and the profusion of life."

Seen in this statement is the unmistakable dependency of NASA's evolutionary agenda upon the Big Bang Myth. That Myth grants them and others the billions of years that the Evolution Myth requires. "Time" is indeed the hero of this plot!

NASA goes on to say that "The long-term goals of ORIGINS address fundamental questions about our place in the Universe:

How did galaxies form in the early universe and what role do galaxies play in the appearance of planetary systems and life?

How do stars and planetary systems form and are there life-sustaining planets around other stars?

How did life originate on Earth and does it exist elsewhere in the universe?"

Now notice very carefully HOW all this is to be accomplished:

"ORIGINS will use revolutionary new technologies to investigate these questions..."

Underscore revolutionary new technologies! They are revolutionary all right! Under the next heading we will see the utter deception that NASA is building into these "revolutionary new technologies". Further along, we will see that these technologies are designed to achieve their Bible-bashing goal of establishing extraterrestrial evolutionism thru the use of highly sophisticated VIRTUAL REALITY SIMULATIONS.... (More on high tech fraud in space. [See: Virtual Reality Fraud, Redshift Fraud, NASAs Hanky-Panky, Size-Structure Pt 6])

For the moment though, let's just add a thing or two to further establish that: 1) NASA's goal in its Origins Program is to settle the argument over Origins in favor of evolutionism, & 2) That this goal is Spiritual rather than scientific....

We can read many places that the late Dr. Carl Sagan (d.Dec.'96) was closely associated with NASA's planetary exploration involving The Mariner, Viking, Voyager, and Galileo missions. What we don't read about in many places is that Sagan was a avid pot-head. His biographer, Kay Davidson, AP writer Scott Andrews, Harvard Psychiatry Prof. Grinspoon, his widow, Ann Druyan, etc., all confirm that his essays and scientific insights were products of marijuana assisted inspirations. That Sagan was totally sold on the evolutionary explanation for all that exists is reflected in all his writings (the evolution of the human brain, little telescoping critters on the moon, his famous Cosmos TV series, etc.). He carried that zeal for replacing Biblical creationism with evolutionism over into his highly praised work at NASA. Indeed one Web bio summed up those years by noting that: "He played a leading role in the American space program since its inception." In a posthumous award to Dr. Sagan, "the National Science Foundation declared that his research transformed planetary science...."

Sagan capsulated his belief about man's significance thusly: "Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people."

This evolution-grounded nihilistic mindset has been prevalent in and out of academia for several generations. It's not surprising that Sagan embraced it, nor that few if any dissenters toward that mindset would be found in NASAdom. By the time Sagan (and lots of us) went to the University, eight or ten generations of increasingly sophisticated indoctrination had seemingly closed and locked the door against any challenge to the Copernican Model which made the Earth go around the Sun instead of the Sun going around the Earth, as the Bible taught. The ever-increasing spread of Darwinism after the 1850's demanded millions and then billions of years for evolution to take place. Clearly, the Sun, Moon, and Stars had to be billions of years old too for they could not be younger than the Earth. Indeed, a universe billions of years old was the only way Evolutionism could lay hold on the billions of years it needs to lend even superficial credibility to its fantastic claims.

So, let it be set in factual concrete: Copernicanism and Darwinism (i.e., Heliocentricity and Evolutionism) are Siamese Twins. Appearing first, Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism's success by using invented mathematical models in the physical science "disciplines" of Astronomy and Physics, and by contradicting the Bible's teaching about an immovable Earth at the center of Creation with the Sun going around daily. Darwinism then reinforced Copernicanism by requiring billions of years for everything to evolve. Now the Biological Sciences had joined with the Physical Sciences in contradicting the Biblical Creation with its young Earth and Man as the special Creation of God, made in His Own Image and with an option for eternal life on a heavenly New Earth. All that was needed by the time of Sagan's University days was a way to get rid of the stubborn, lingering belief in God's Creation of Mankind in six literal ("evening and morning") days. This belief had to be put on a level with the almost totally defeated and forgotten belief in a very special unmovable Earth at the center of God's plans. Nobody argued for that anymore, but hundreds of millions of people were still clinging to a conviction that evolution theory was total nonsense and that Mankind is the special creation of an Almighty God with a great purpose and plan for His Creation. How could this resistance to evolution be ended once and for all??

That was the challenge that faced hallucinating "exobiologist" Sagan and Co. when he got in the driver's seat at NASA. In that position, taxpayer's billions of dollars could provide the ways and means to eliminate all challenges to the Big Bang model as the "scientific" explanation for the origin of the universe, Earth included. Then thru the development of cutting-edge computerized telescope and camera technology a way was opening up to settle the creation/evolution controversy forever in favor of evolution.

Of course, Sagan's total commitment to evolutionism (in tandem with Biologist J. Gould at Harvard) was spread far and wide thru his TV Cosmos series and his books at the time computer technology was developing. He taught that widespread extraterrestrial evolution was a certainty and would soon be proven. He was at the center of NASA's drive for perfecting computerized telescopes and cameras with Virtual Reality technology for a dozen years before he died. But he didn't live to see the job completed. Just a couple of years before his death, he admitted in his article "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life" in the Scientific American ('94) that of all of his NASA supported missions: "None of these [spacecraft] encounters has yielded compelling, or even strongly suggestive, indications of extraterrestrial life."

That's a pretty strong confession when you think about it. Indeed, "Exobiology" is a "science" with no data...the ultimate oxymoron.

In 1992, four years before Sagan's death, Daniel Saul Goldin became NASA's Administrator. His policies earned him many accolades, including the title of "brilliant visionary" and being named "one of the 100 most influential men and women in government". No one questions his ability to vigorously and innovatively fulfill NASA's stated goals. His vision has nowhere "been more evident than in his comprehensive strategy for space exploration". We want to take a very close look at the main components of that "comprehensive strategy" momentarily, but let the overriding goal of that strategy be understood and underscored yet again.

Mr. Goldin did not alter the goal of finding extraterrestrial life forms and establishing evolutionism as a "scientific fact" which will no longer be contested by anyone. Indeed, his administration streamlined NASA's whole operation by putting those revolutionary new technologies mentioned earlier on afterburners, as it were. Mr. Goldin meant to see NASA's goal accomplished, and he meant to do it speedily.

His Web bio reveals that: "He initiated the ORIGINS PROGRAM to understand how the Universe has evolved, to learn how life began on Earth and to see if life exists elsewhere." (Goldin update [See: NASAs O'Keefe])

Let's see how he proposed to achieve these goals. Go to: NASA's Hanky Panky Virtual Reality Technology.

Bible Denies Copernicanism

GRAMMATICALLY AND SEMANTICALLY THE BIBLE DENIES COPERNICANISM

(AND THUS DENIES THE "THEISTIC COPERNICAN" POSITION AS WELL...)

http://www.fixedearth.com/gram-semant.html

"And God set them [sun, moon, and stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth...." (Gen. 1:17)

Notice: God SET them.... Now, inside our so-called "solar" system, we have only the sun and the moon (from the verse above). We KNOW the moon moves. Therefore, when God SET IT "in the firmament", the inescapable meaning is that He set it in motion on the track it follows. Thus, when He set THEM in the firmament it is a grammatical imperative that He set the sun and stars in motion ALSO on their tracks just like He set the moon in motion on its track.

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"Then spake Joshua.... Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.... So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day." (Joshua 10:12,13)

Let's focus on the "MOON" in these verses:

Both Heliocentrists and Geocentrists agree that the moon is moving around the earth. No argument on that. Then we see that the Scripture says that Joshua commanded not only the sun but ALSO THE MOON to stop, and that both obeyed the command. He commanded both of them at the same time in the same breath in the same sentence to stop their motion. He obviously accepted as fact that the moon he was speaking to was a moon that was moving. Since, therefore, he addressed both sun and moon together in his command, it is a grammatical imperative that when he commanded a moving moon to stand still, he was ALSO commanding a moving sun to stand still.

(A similar argument can be made for the movement of the stars from Psalm 8:3 where "...the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained..." is written. "Ordained"--number 3559 is derived from the Hebrew #5087 which means "to place". The moon that was placed moves; so, grammatically, would the stars.)

(Are you revisionist creationist leaders SURE you want to insist that Joshua was telling the earth and not the sun to stand still...and that the Holy Spirit of Truth caused the opposite of the Truth to be recorded in God's Word?? What happened to "God is not the author of confusion...."?!) [I Cor.14:33]

And what about:

"Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees ...ten degrees backward. So THE SUN RETURNED ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down...." (Isaiah 38:8)

If something is moved "backward" it must ipso facto have had a forward direction and movement. The shadow moved backward on the sun dial...undeniably the opposite of the way it always moved. The movement of the shadow is inseparable from the movement of the sun in this verse for it says the sun returned. In short, the sun's movement, not the earth's, is flatly declared here (as well as in numerous other Scriptures). [See: What If, Sixty-seven References]

One may argue that God really meant that the earth and not the sun is moving in all these Scriptures, that He just used a "language of appearance" or "phenomenological language", or some such polysyllabic excuse for accepting what "science falsely so-called" says over what the Word of God says. Unfortunately, this hermeneutical slight-of-hand can and does make the Creation days billions of years long [See: Kabbala 2 (p.2)], the Noahic Flood just a local flood, the virgin Mary just "a young girl", "heaven" a superstitious myth, and on and on. Moreover, this method of handling Scripture actually says that God has lied to us or is so inept with words that He couldn't communicate a simple Truth about whether it is the earth that goes around the sun or the sun that goes around the earth.

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Semantics too can be unyielding on this subject. Let's take a hard look at the pronoun THOU in Joshua 10:12: "Sun, stand THOU still...."

Strong's Hebrew Concordance #859 confirms what we would expect, namely: "THOU" means "YOU".

So, semantically, what Joshua said was: "Sun, YOU stand still...and moon, YOU stand still too. Sun, YOU stop over Gibeon and moon, YOU stop over Ajalon."

Since Ajalon is only five or 32 miles away from Gibeon, the sun and the moon are, cosmographically speaking, in the same place, i.e., "in the midst of heaven".

Being in the same place, the moon is blocking out the sun. Joshua's commands therefore, are ordering both orbs which are at the point of full solar eclipse to move no further.

Eclipses were known and not feared in those days, but--when in response to Joshua's commands which all heard (v.12)--a moving moon stopped and stayed in front of a moving sun which suddenly stood still "and hasted not to go down about a whole day", that was another matter! Joshua's enemies were understandably freaked out of their gourds (in the recent vernacular) and Joshua's soldiers "avenged themselves...."

Clearly, the designation "YOU" applied by God to a moving sun cannot be and must not be twisted to say: "YOU, Earth, stand still" or "YOU, Time, stand still." One may want it to say one of those, but the Bible simply does not say either one. (Bible scholars, of course, agreed on the plain language until Newton's Kabbalist "math" persuaded most of them that man's science had triumphed over Bible science and that they needed to adjust their interpretation of Scripture accordingly).

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Now, six-day Creationists are, of course, well aware of the stultifying effect that Theistic Evolutionists have on the Creationist movement. Compromise with God's Truth is harder to combat than out-and-out resistance, most would agree.

A classic expression of this fact was saved for the very last frames of Hollywood's first version of Inherit The Wind (about the Scopes "Monkey Trial" in Dayton, Tennessee in July of 1925). After incessant and thinly disguised mockery of Bryan and Bible fundamentalism in general throughout the movie, Darrow (played by Spencer Tracy), alone in the courtroom in the final scene, picks up a copy of the Bible in one hand and a copy of Darwin in the other. He looks slowly back and forth at each book for a minute, thoughtfully weighing this one, then the other one. Then, smiling broadly as if in response to a revelation, he slaps Darwin and the Bible together, gives them a long look and an affirmative head shake, tucks them under his arm and walks out. Though not a word is spoken, his confident, satisfied amalgamation of the two made the point: Put Darwin and the Bible together!

And well could Hollywood revel in that silent visual message...considering the acceptance of evolutionism in the world and (more to the point) in the Christian Churches since the Scopes Trial in 1925! That movie and that scene were merely a dramatization of the ability of the Theistic Evolutionist concept to bring discredit and scorn upon the Bible as the source of Absolute Truth, while at the same time elevating "science" to the role of Truth Giver, from thenceforward equal or superior to the Bible and able to make It bow when the two conflict!

Fellow Creationist, I submit to you that the same scene can be replayed substituting Newton's Principia for Darwin's Origin of Species. Together with Copernicus' and Kepler's and Galileo's earlier efforts (and Einstein's "relativity" and Sagan's "exobiology" later), man's books denying the plain geocentrism of Scripture were--as in the Scopes Trial [See: Monkey Trial]--put together with the Bible and "Theistic Copernicanism" was born! All that had to be changed was where the Bible says the sun moves. Thereafter, we were all to understand that It really means the earth moves when It says the sun moves. As with evolution, just change the six-days of Creation to millions of years....Here, just change "sun" to "earth". Quite simple really. [See: Changing a Biblical Word]

After sun and earth were switched by those trying to accommodate both Bible and what they thought was "science", the Churches gave in everywhere, just as most have given in to evolutionism since Darwin, and particularly since the Scopes Trial.

The Christian Compromise with Copernicanism established the one and only criterion needed for the success of Satan's evolution myth in the world first, then the churches. The criterion? Again, quite simple. Plain Scripture can and must be reworked to match the claims of "science falsely so-called".

As a six-day "evening and morning" Creationist, I, as one of you, submit that there is a way to undermine the idolatrous non-secular science establishment upon which rests the evolution myth you detest. If you are interested in restoring and certifying Bible credibility, prayerfully consider: a) Getting informed about the weakness and vulnerability of the heliocentric model, and: b) Boldly attack that Bible-bashing model and watch the attack spread to evolutionism (and all that is built upon both of those myths)!; c) New evidence proving Copernicanism is the keystone of the Big Bang Paradigm [See: Keystone] and that this evolutionary model of the universe is derived from the Kabbala and thus cannot be financed in the USA under the Constitution can be seen [See: HB 179 Model Pt1, HB 179 Evidence Pt2, HB 179 Addendum Pt3].

If Creationists will stand up for God's Word on geocentrism and refuse all compromise, they will see that their fears of embarrassment, etc., are not from God (II Tim.1:7). Sir Fred Hoyle and other prominent astronomers and physicists have admitted that the geocentric model is just as good scientifically as the heliocentric model [See: Quotes - Contemporary Scientists]--and it is certainly a whole lot better Scripturally! Indeed, a far more Biblical and scientific model which shrinks the whole universe to less than one light day's thickness and exposes all of modern cosmology as a pseudo-scientific sham can be seen in a seven part series beginning.... [See: Size-Structure Pt 1]

In short, the world has been systematically indoctrinated to believe that the Bible-bashing earth-moving Copernican model is a scientific fact beyond challenge. The truth of the matter as any can confirm for themselves is that not only the Copernican Model--but the entirety of modern cosmology--is a massive deception and totally vulnerable to exposure as such. Some links that will lead to confirmation of that statement can be tested in the "Kabbala" and "Size and Structure" series [See: Kabbala 1, Size-Structure Pt 1].

After a person finds out that evolutionism is a contra-scientific and utterly goofy explanation for the ineffable complexity of design and function of the entire plant and animal and human life forms, Theistic Evolutionism becomes a cheap copout position that is a lukewarm abomination to God (Rev.3:15,16). Creationists know this is true.

Likewise--after prayerful consideration of the Scriptures and the scientific and logical evidence supporting a non-moving earth--it should be obvious to all Truth-seeking Bible believers that the Theistic Copernicanism Compromise can fare no better in God's sight than the Theistic Evolution Compromise. Both compromises stink! God's Absolute Truths cannot be compromised! Period. HE will have no other gods--false science or otherwise--changing His Word and usurping His Glory! That's the way it is. You can count on it.

Therefore, it is time for Bible Creationists to either broaden their attack to include Copernicanism--and do so with a whoop!--or recant on their belief in Bible inerrancy on the six-day creation. A non-moving, geocentric earth is taught in the Bible just as plainly as the six-day creation [See: Sixty-seven References]). Indeed, as noted, the creation account makes it clear that there was no sun to go around until the fourth day, yet there was light and darkness, evening and morning [See: Genesis I 1-5]!

Let no Christian be counted amongst the various kinds of Sun Worshippers that dot the historical record! "Solar System", my foot! God created an "Earth System" not a "Sun System"! Copernicanism makes the Sun the center, the source of life. God makes the Earth the center, the springboard of His Master Plan for eternal life. This "unmovable" (Ps.93:1) Earth is the place where His only begotten Son would obediently carry out that Plan. It is the place where "the New Earth" (Is.65:17; 66:22; Rev.21:1) will exist forever right here at the center of the universe after this old earth has "been burned with fervent heat and dissolved" and has "fled away" never to be found again (Is. 65:17; II Pet. 3:10, 12; Rev.20:11).

Time is up for the churches on this one [See: House of God]. By allowing the takeover of the Physical Sciences thru their surrender to Bible-bashing Copernicanism, the churches opened the door to the takeover of the rest of man's "knowledge" by deceptions disguised as "science" [See: Knowledge Impact]. Now that this takeover extends thru the Natural Sciences, the Social and Behavioral Sciences, the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion, it is time for God's Judgment on the churches (I Pet.4:17, 18). Jesus "was manifested to destroy the works of the Devil" (I John 3:8). These mega-deceptions are "the works of the Devil". Truly, "the Devil's time is short"! (Rev.12:12) "Come out of her [Babylon/confusion], my people..." God says (Rev.18:4). The "Church" is in Babylon/confusion up to its steeple tops!

Creation is the cornerstone of Bible credibility. (You can put that in italics and capitalize it: CREATION IS THE CORNERSTONE OF BIBLE CREDIBILITY.) OK? A non- moving earth and a six-day creation have been tampered with and credibility has all but been destroyed as a result. God's Judgment begins with the restoration of those foundational Truths of Genesis One in His churches FIRST. (Rev.14:6,7: I Pet.4:17,18)

The call for God's people "to come out of Babylon (i.e., "confusion":Rev.18:4) begins with exposing the taproot of all modern Bible-bashing. That taproot is the Copernican lie.

None of us is stranger to deception. It's everywhere. The only way out of deception is "to continue in God's Word". Don't change it to fit clever deceptions. "Continue" in It.

That done, God promises: "Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free (of Satan's lies)." (John 8:31,32,44)

The Sun Goes Around the Earth

Note: Make sure you check our topic tab at the top of this blog titled: Sun Moon Stars

CREATIONISTS: WHAT IF...

http://www.fixedearth.com/what-if.html

God's Word means EXACTLY what It says about the sun going around a non-moving earth (and not the earth going around the sun)??

Indeed, what has God said on that subject?? Here are some examples:

"SUN, stand THOU still.... And THE SUN stood still." (Joshua 10:12, 13)

"The world also is STABLISHED [i.e., “fixed" #3529 Strong's Con.] that IT CANNOT BE MOVED." (Psalm 93:1)

"The sun AND the moon stood still in their habitation." (Habakkuk 3:11)

"He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his GOING DOWN." (Psalm 104:19)

"...the world also shall be stable [fixed], that it be NOT moved." (I Chron. 16:30)

"He...hangeth the earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7)

"The sun ALSO ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hastens to his place where he arose." (Eccl.1:5)

"...so the sun RETURNED ten degrees...." (Isaiah 38:8)

God..."commandeth the sun, and it riseth not." (Job 9:7)

"...the sun shall be darkened in his going forth." (Isaiah 13:10)

"The heavens declare the glory of God.... In them hath He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his CIRCUIT [orbit] unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." (Psalm 19:1, 4-6)

Add to these, Dozens of Sun Risings and Settings, etc...![See: Sixty-seven References]

Truly, as one scholar, a Creationist and a Geocentrist, wrote: "...it is evident that geocentricity [a non-moving earth...] and the inerrant preservation of the Scriptures are intertwined." (Prof. Hanson, Tychonian Bulletin, S.89,p.21)

By way of contrast, another scholar, a Creationist and a Heliocentrist, says that he: "...supports inerrancy and the verbal inspiration of the Bible", but nevertheless declares that in all the Scriptures above the Holy Spirit employed a "language of appearance" which gives the reader license to change the meaning to fit the heliocentric teaching. (Dr. DeYoung, Audio tape debate with M. Selbrede)

(Bible believing Christians are urged to try applying DeYoung's "language of appearance" technique to "the evening and the morning were the first [thru sixth] day"...or to the virgin birth...or the resurrection, etc., and see where you come out!)

Anyway,

SOME FURTHER "WHAT IFS" FOR CREATIONISTS ABOUT GEOCENTRICITY ARE QUITE REVEALING:

WHAT IF - Kepler's mother was a witch and he was raised a warlock assigned to bump Brahe off, [See: Brahe Poisoning] wreck his work, steal his records, and twist them to promote Copernicanism and help pave the way for evolutionism (which he wrote about 250 years before Darwin)? [See: Insep-Conc, (pp.1,2)]

WHAT IF - Galileo offered no proof whatsoever for heliocentricity but did all he could to elevate secular science over Bible science, thereby contributing greatly to the establishment of the mindset that later served evolutionism so well? [See: Popes Condemed-Embraced]

WHAT IF - Creationists can know that Copernicanism is the demonstrable precursor of evolutionism both as Bible destroyer and as the guarantor that the anti-Bible false science establishment would become modern man's criterion of Truth Itself? [See: Symbiotic Relationship, Knowledge Impact]

WHAT IF - the Bible teaches a stationary earth (just like everyone agreed it did until Copernican and finally Newton's Kabbalist "mathematics" scared the churches into thinking that "science" had proof of heliocentricity)? [See: Gram-Semant - Sola Scriptura 4]

WHAT IF - Einstein's admission that "fantasy" meant more to him than "positive knowledge" is demonstrated most powerfully in his Relativity hypothesis, (that pseudo-mathematical "great work of art" that rescued a moribund Copernicanism and fostered and vivified evolution-based Marxism, Freudianism and Humanism)? [See: TSE Pt 2-Hist.BigBang]

WHAT IF - mathematics has long since been an art form capable of depicting anything the "artist" wants? (And what if the ultimate "artist" behind heliocentric (moving earth) mathematics is not men but You-Know-Who?!) [See: Pythagoras]

WHAT IF - the Michelson-Morley experiments and scores of other affirmations--particularly regarding the light fringe results--essentially prove no earth orbit around the sun? [See: The Earth Is Not Moving (pp.97-104)]

WHAT IF - Relativism--the savior of Copernicanism almost a century ago and the temporary victor over God's Absolutism since then--is merely a thick slice of pseudo-scientific baloney and can be shown to be so? [See: The Earth Is Not Moving (pp. 110-133)]

WHAT IF - God has allowed the deceptive power of Satan to be great enough thus far to prevent Creationists (and other believers in Bible inerrancy) from seeing that Copernicanism--just like evolutionism--has NO scientific proof whatever to support its "science-fiction" claims? [See: NASAs Agenda]

WHAT IF - "Ah LORD God!...There is nothing too hard for thee" (Jer.32:17; et al!) is applied to the orbital speeds required for stars in the "small" geocentric universe? [See: Size-Structure Pt 1]

WHAT IF - The alleged discoveries of "Dark Matter" and the anomalies associated with it regarding speed portend a radical revision in the speed-of-light dogma?

WHAT IF - The universe--because of complex matters involving parallax and "non-Euclidian geometry", the vagaries of reflections, etc.--is much, much, smaller than we are told? [See: Small Universe, Size-Structure Pt 4]

WHAT IF - It is God's Plan to first expose Copernicanism as a scientific fraud (as a certain means to bringing down not only evolutionism but the whole secular scientific establishment idol)? [See: Atheism]

WHAT IF - The Copernican Model is essential to the "extra-terrestrial" hype which is nothing more nor less than a highly effective propaganda campaign for evolutionism (...we "evolved" here and "they...evolved out there")? [See: TSE Pt 1-Cosmic Ancestry]

WHAT IF - Darwin's German Bulldog and Marx's Right Hand Man Recognized the Unbreakable Link Between Darwinism and Copernicanism?

WHAT IF - Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et al were all fervent believers in and zealous promoters of Darwinian Evolutionism and the Copernican Heliocentricity that preceded it? [See: hlsm]

WHAT IF - Today's Copernican-dependent, evolution-based "creation scenario" for the Universe, the Earth and all life forms including mankind is directly derived from ancient and current writings of Bible-bashing, Christ-hating Rabbinical Kabbalists?? [See: Kabbala 3 - Kabbala 6]

WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF....?

Answered honestly from all known evidence, we know that these "What If's" add up to one inescapable Truth. That Truth is that the Bible is just what it claims to be, namely, the inerrant, sufficient, infallible Word of the living God who cannot lie.

So, as a Creationist, what if you have to stand up for the plain Biblical non-moving Earth because: a) It is a pivotal feature of the Genesis Creation Account wherein (in addition to the hard evidence at this site) there was no sun to go around until the 4th day; b) The alleged size and age of the universe which provide the billions of years for the evolution hypothesis self-destructs without heliocentricity, and continued support of heliocentricity while claiming to be a literal six-day Creationist is hypocrisy; c) The now available facts demonstrating that all the concepts upholding the heliocentricity-dependent Big Bang Paradigm of 15 billion years of evolutionism comprise an alternate "creation scenario" from a Christ-hating "holy book" of the Pharisee Religion.

Thus, the only choice for Creationists now taking shape is this: Are you going to be a Zohar/ Kabbala/ Pharisee Big Bang Evolutionary "creationist" or the Bible/Christian Anti-Evolution Creationist the world believes you to be?